The J -- correctly designed or no?

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The N&W was for a long time consumerate for getting their traffic over 
them mountains the best way they could. It starts with their 4-8-0, they 
decided on the 4-8-0 than like 2-8-2's to get more weight on those 
drivers. the M's then the M2's. Then the articulateds.
Its all the same for the J, move them passengers the best way over them 
mountains at speed. Over design? Nopers. Effective design, yeppers. 
Excursion trains are for fun, Regular service trains are for get dem 
passenger where they gotta go...fast.

A longer train would slow them down on the hills.

-Lynn-


On 8/18/2015 8:23 AM, nw-mailing-list-request at nwhs.org wrote:
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> The J -- correctly designed or no?
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> The J -- correctly designed or no?
>
> I've seen the following comment or similar statements in a few places 
> during the recent discussions of the N&W steam locomotive triumvirate.
>
> >>>>The J seems to have been over designed <<<<
>
> Often, writers of this phrase would point out the J's excursion 
> experience and talk about the longer trains the Js pulled in the 80s 
> and 90s than in the 50s and 60s.
>
> Frankly, I believe that this data makes our case. It is proof that the 
> lady was not "over designed," but instead, more perfectly designed 
> than for which she has been given credit.
>
> First ... I go back to why the J was created ... to haul passenger 
> trains ... more of them and longer ones, too. When the last 3 Js were 
> built I have to believe that the company was caught up in the 
> people-will-be-riding-more-and-more-trains theory. I mean, why else 
> would they have directed 3 more Js be built?
>
> Secondly ... Considering the experience of the Ks and Js, the bosses 
> could have gone for less powerful, probably less expensive passenger 
> locos ... save a buck or two for less passenger performance? Does that 
> really sound like N&W thinking?
>
> In the end -- juggling the two possibilities for their passengers ... 
> 'good-enough is OK' or 'only the best will do' -- the execs decided on 
> Js.
>
> It is my guess, that not only did they briefly believe that "more and 
> more people would be riding more and more trains," but that the 
> company would need to provide both more passenger trains and longer 
> passenger trains.
>
> So, knowing what the Js could do with longer trains -- and I have no 
> doubt there were many times in the 40s that the Js pulled longer than 
> normal passenger trains --  and believing that longer trains would be 
> in demand, the top dogs chose the loco that was prescribed, designed 
> and built for such service as 16-to-20 car first class trains would 
> require.
>
> That passenger demand flopped, only made the J's work less stressful 
> and less eventful. Had the passenger demand instead climbed in the 
> early 50s, the Js would have been the perfect match for the 
> 16-to-20-car trains that the demand might have called for ... close to 
> exactly the role for which she was designed.
>
> It is my guess that with more folks wanting to ride N&W trains, the 
> company, instead of shortening the second J order, would have 
> lengthened it. Goodness, they may even have out-shopped a Super-J. I 
> have no doubt the designers had a few betterments in mind.
>
> Let's take a quick look at a similar situation that is in process in 
> today's world.
>
> Lots of smart folks say the Airbus 380 was over designed, but, in 
> fact, it was designed exactly for the market Airbus presumed would be 
> there. However, instead of knocking on the 380's door every day, most 
> of those probable 380 passengers surprised the prognosticators and 
> chose other, smaller airplanes for their travel needs (as did the J's 
> passengers chose other means of transportation [... idiots!]).
>
> The 380's designs matched the projections -- as they did for the J 
> locomotives -- and in both cases the two excellent transportation 
> devices never got to see their projections come true and thereby the 
> devices never got to show off their full worth on a daily scheduled 
> basis.
>
> The 380, of course, may yet see her dreams come true. As for the J, 
> every time the 611 pulls 22 excursion cars up a hill, I'm sure she's 
> thinking, "This is exactly what I was made for! Thank you."
>
> Yes, indeed ... the A, J & Y were some triumvirate! ... love 'em ... Bob
>
> ... now then, on the Clinchfield ...
>

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