Virginian Coal Cars

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Nickel Plate employee timetables listed those "high hoppers" as 
restricting train speed to 45 mph.

WJPowers

On 8/7/2020 3:40 PM, NW Mailing List wrote:
> Ted;
>
> Again, Yes. I'm 98% confident that is exactly what they were and where 
> they were going.  We have pictures of those gons on the PRR north of 
> Columbus, and on the C&O's dumper at Presque Isle.
>
> And somehow those pictures have ended up in a clinic discussing those 
> gons and our response to the myth about how they "never never ever 
> ever went off the Virginian".
>
> Frank Bongiovanni
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 2:35 PM NW Mailing List via NW-Mailing-List 
> <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org <mailto:nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>> wrote:
>
>     Hi all,
>     In the mid 50's well before the merger I saw groups of loaded
>     Virginian hoppers, including an occasional group of 100 ton gons,
>     in westbound trains going through Circleville. They rolled very
>     noisily compared to the N&W cars. Might they have been Lake Erie
>     bound coal from a mine on the Virginian and taking the most
>     convenient route?
>     Ted Goodman
>     Columbus
>
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>     Subject: Re: Virginian Coal Cars
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>     After the merger, which railroad name was on the car was
>     irrelevant. VGN cars were just more N&W cars and there was no
>     reason to treat them differently. After 1964, you would also see
>     NKP and WAB hoppers but again, they were just more N&W cars
>     operationally.
>
>     -- 
>     Larry Stone
>     lstone19 at stonejongleux.com <mailto:lstone19 at stonejongleux.com>
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>     > On Aug 7, 2020, at 10:48 AM, NW Mailing List via NW-Mailing-List
>     <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org <mailto:nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>> wrote:
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > It seems to me that as a boy, I saw a lot of Virginian coal
>     cars, along with N&W coal cars, being pulled into Norfolk during
>     the late 50s and early 60s.  Do I remember this correctly?  Did
>     N&W also pull a lot of Virginian coal cars?
>     >
>     > Jack:
>     > After the N&W/VGN merger hoppers from both roads  would be mixed
>     in the same train.  Before the
>     > merger I'm not sure.  If VGN delivered a car to N&W at Portlock
>     for dumping at Lamberts Point, the
>     > only revenue N&W would receive was a switching charge (About
>     $17.60 in 1960 prices) and N&W would
>     > wind up paying VGN per diem (About $2.16 a car per day),
>     performing switching, etc.  One possibility
>     > though -- if VGN interchanged the load to N&W at Roanoke, N&W
>     would get a a percentage of the
>     > long-haul rate.                               Harry Bundy
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