Virginian Coal Cars

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Okay, I'll admit to wondering why the specific limit for NKP coal cars, and
not Wabash, VGN, P&WV, or .??  Also: 45 mph almost seems high for coal
trains; maybe my thinking is locked into the 14/28 mph squareheads.

Frank Bongiovanni

On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 2:20 PM NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
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> Nickel Plate employee timetables listed those "high hoppers" as
> restricting train speed to 45 mph.
>
> WJPowers
> On 8/7/2020 3:40 PM, NW Mailing List wrote:
>
> Ted;
>
> Again, Yes. I'm 98% confident that is exactly what they were and where
> they were going.  We have pictures of those gons on the PRR north of
> Columbus, and on the C&O's dumper at Presque Isle.
>
> And somehow those pictures have ended up in a clinic discussing those gons
> and our response to the myth about how they "never never ever ever went off
> the Virginian".
>
> Frank Bongiovanni
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 2:35 PM NW Mailing List via NW-Mailing-List <
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>> Hi all,
>> In the mid 50's well before the merger I saw groups of loaded Virginian
>> hoppers, including an occasional group of 100 ton gons, in westbound trains
>> going through Circleville. They rolled very noisily compared to the N&W
>> cars. Might they have been Lake Erie bound coal from a mine on the
>> Virginian and taking the most convenient route?
>> Ted Goodman
>> Columbus
>>
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>> After the merger, which railroad name was on the car was irrelevant. VGN
>> cars were just more N&W cars and there was no reason to treat them
>> differently. After 1964, you would also see NKP and WAB hoppers but again,
>> they were just more N&W cars operationally.
>>
>> --
>> Larry Stone
>> lstone19 at stonejongleux.com
>>
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>> > On Aug 7, 2020, at 10:48 AM, NW Mailing List via NW-Mailing-List <
>> nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
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>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > It seems to me that as a boy, I saw a lot of Virginian coal cars, along
>> with N&W coal cars, being pulled into Norfolk during the late 50s and early
>> 60s.  Do I remember this correctly?  Did N&W also pull a lot of Virginian
>> coal cars?
>> >
>> > Jack:
>> > After the N&W/VGN merger hoppers from both roads  would be mixed in the
>> same train.  Before the
>> > merger I'm not sure.  If VGN delivered a car to N&W at Portlock for
>> dumping at Lamberts Point, the
>> > only revenue N&W would receive was a switching charge (About $17.60 in
>> 1960 prices) and N&W would
>> > wind up paying VGN per diem (About $2.16 a car per day), performing
>> switching, etc.  One possibility
>> > though -- if VGN interchanged the load to N&W at Roanoke, N&W would get
>> a a percentage of the
>> > long-haul rate.
>>         Harry Bundy
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