[Slowhand] Re: geetarz

Tue Aug 17 21:25:02 EDT 2004

I don't see how burning cd's at "track at once" can
have such an atrocious affect on the quality of the
music.  Thats whats important here.  The music.  The
fact is that the MUSIC is still intact despite the
fact that there is a bit of time in between the songs.
 I know you have every right to be pissed about
getting cd's that way in trades, in which you the
almighty geetarz die-hard Eric Clapton collector with
the mighty collection that you have, people should no
better.  A collector with as big of a collection as
you, should care about quality and perfection and what
not, but at the same time if it means that much to you
you should and you shold know what you are getting
into, I'm sure you have a disclaimer about not wanting
track at once discs and what not and maybe some people
are just retards who don't read or pay attention and
trade anyway.

But for a casual EC fan, or a casual classic rock
music fan in general.  track at once is not that big
of a deal.  The music does not sound bad.  I made my
dad a copy of beetleclasher for him to listen to in
her car and he complained that there was too much
talking and applause and nothing happening...so I made
him a copy with just songs from that show, and he
liked that better, that works for him.  good for him,
he's not gonna go trading it anywhere. its not
complete, but thats not what the purpose of that show
is for him.  

I don't hear the difference between a 192 MP3 and A
SHN or a FLAC file.  I respect tapers wishes and will
never ever spread an mp3 copy of something I
downloaded in lossless format, but i can do whatever I
want with my files on my computer...with bittorrent,
it has pretty much eliminated the absolute necessity
of trading for the casual trader...unless theres
something you really want...and oh well your outta
luck or you can hope for a b&p.

I think you have every right to be pissed about what
people are sending you...but I don't underwstand why
it would matter to you what others are doing in their
trades or whatever.  How does it affect you?  This guy
was offering an Eric Clapton show to 3 other people
for FREE so they could hear  the "God" of guitar.  I
don't see how that isn't a good thing.  Would you
rather the guy just hoarded it and kept it to himself
instead of spreading it for others, or worse sold a
copy on ebay?

> ATTACHMENT part 3.6 message/rfc822 
> From: Almighty Geetarz <>
> To: slowhand at planet-torque.com
> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 17:21:57 -0700 (PDT)
> Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Offers on the SD - Lulu Wins
> 
> You know, the SD used to be a pretty quiet place -
> no such thing as "offers".
>  
> Then a few of us got this whacky idea to help pass
> the good stuff around so more folks could enjoy it.
> Great idea, right? I used to think it was - I've
> changed my mind.
>  
> In the past months, with various items (TDF, Stone
> Crazy, etc.) and various people (i.e. our dear
> "Lulu") we've had various discussions about quality.
> More importantly - a lack of quality.  In any
> organization, it really is up to the members of the
> group to police themselves - not just a vocal few,
> but to the group as a whole.
>  
> So I was rather dismayed to see this post recently
> on the SD: "  I can offer 3 copies of the EC sunday
> set at the Crossroads festival. Beware: somewehre
> along the line the disc is not burned DAO, so
> there's some gaps between the songs."
>  
> And have quietly waited to see the reaction from
> this group. 
>  
> What a reaction I have seen:
>  
> Zero.
> Zip.
> De Nada.
>  
> It is apparent to me that the majority of folks on
> this list just plain do not give a flying fuck about
> quality.  That's totally within your rights.  Other
> lists that support other artists have been quite
> good at policing their own, and this sort of thing
> would never go unchecked.  But the EC trading world
> is racked - polluted - by something worse than
> bootleggers. Something worse even than hoarders. 
> The apathetic. Those who don't give a damn.
>  
> Okay, you all win.  More to the point - Lulu wins. 
> I give up.  I recently made a distribution offer to
> the group - I hereby withdraw my offer.  Don't get
> me wrong - the idiots among us are free to do
> whatever they choose.  Hell, why not copy the CD to
> cassette, play it back through the stereo, record it
> with your PC mic, then encode to mp3, then extract
> and burn TAO for the fella at the other end? If it
> makes you happy, more power to you.  But I see no
> reason why I should spend my time and money to try
> to share quality recordings when the folks on this
> list will for the most part do nothing to ensure
> that quality.  In other words - you don't deserve
> it.
>  
> Bill Main recently passed. A shame - and a sweet guy
> (unlike me, I'm an ass).  I thought it would be nice
> to be able to pass out copies of a show he recorded
> and he really wanted posted on the Geetarz site as a
> tribute.  It hasn't been - because out of the FOUR
> trades I've done for it, not one person can seem to
> copy a show without screwing it up. Sorry, Bill, no
> legacy here - due to stupidity.  What a shame, eh? 
> Should I go for copy #5? Maybe 7,8,9, or #10 will be
> the magic number?  I'm tired of being crapped on in
> trades - I'll go watch some TV instead.
>  
> It is nice to see that a lot of our DVD work has
> been enjoyed my many here.  Want a hot tip? You've
> got maybe 6 months to a year before the unwashed
> masses start getting DVD drives free with their PCs
> and manage to screw that scene up, too - better get
> one NOW and trade like hell while you still can.  No
> more handouts from me - trades only, with those who
> have spent the time, effort, and money to acquire
> trade material.
>  
> So rest assured, you've heard the last rant from the
> Almighty about quality. I won't bitch any more,
> because I simply won't offer any more. You can send
> your screwed up discs back and forth all you like,
> without any interference from those few of us who
> actually give a damn. Unfair? Sure - and you can
> blame every single member of this list who didn't
> say a single word. Including yourself.
>  
> The SD's all yours, Lulu - have fun!
>  
> Ciao.
> 

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