[Slowhand] Re: geetarz

Tue Aug 17 23:01:49 EDT 2004

TJ

You know I was fixing to go to bed because my day starts very early but when
my inbox showed new mail
I thought I'd check it out.
I am totally in disagreement with your post.

Let's say for instance the "Soaring With the Hawk" that Almighty mentioned
as recieving 4 bad copies. I was in the
middle of a trade with Bill Main when he passed and as a matter of fact
recieved the Little Rock and New Orleans
'04 shows from him the weekend before he died (I'll in time do something
like a memorial with one of those shows).  I also sent A.Geetarz a copy in
hopes of doing some kind of rememberance for Bill. Well my second disc has a
"pop" on it and god knows what all Mark ran into. So let's say
we need to get a good copy of that "Soaring...". Where do we go after it?
Bill? I'm just saying if traders keep putting
gaps in shows and see nothing wrong with it sooner or later the higher
quality discs will disappear. Or the Groenoorhall 6-11-77 boot I have. Some
moron elected to not to worry about gaps, then traded that show to someone
else.
By the time I got it, the show had been re-edited to take out the gaps but
that sucks just as bad. Hell, even worse because your so close to getting
what you want but so far away. What's the chances of recieving a good copy
of that date? Recieved a copy of the Chicago 4-9-98 show that was an
audience recording. Everyone has the soundboard but it was the first
audience recording I'd seen. Oh, how excited I was. For those of you that's
listened to D&D Fillmore shows through the years and then hear the audience
version tell me.....which is more exciting? Well the disc finally came in
and guess what......not gaps, but like hiccups or micro-gaps...Totally
disgusted and
just trashed it..I couldn't listen to it. You seen an aud recording of that
show?

I also didn't respond to the person trading the Sunday show of the
Crossroads gig that had gaps because (1) I didn't see it (2) The Digest is
getting to be a flea market for traders and (3) I'm sick and friggin tired
of opening the Digest to seeing "The first 3 people that contact me will
get......." so I deleted the entire Digest

I guess I'm trying to say this. Don't piss in the pool that others
enjoy...Find your own

Pat Toth
Knoxville TN

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "TJ Pridonoff" <tjguitar85 at yahoo.com>
To: <slowhand at planet-torque.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 9:25 PM
Subject: [Slowhand] Re: geetarz

> I don't see how burning cd's at "track at once" can
> have such an atrocious affect on the quality of the
> music.  Thats whats important here.  The music.  The
> fact is that the MUSIC is still intact despite the
> fact that there is a bit of time in between the songs.
>  I know you have every right to be pissed about
> getting cd's that way in trades, in which you the
> almighty geetarz die-hard Eric Clapton collector with
> the mighty collection that you have, people should no
> better.  A collector with as big of a collection as
> you, should care about quality and perfection and what
> not, but at the same time if it means that much to you
> you should and you shold know what you are getting
> into, I'm sure you have a disclaimer about not wanting
> track at once discs and what not and maybe some people
> are just retards who don't read or pay attention and
> trade anyway.
>
> But for a casual EC fan, or a casual classic rock
> music fan in general.  track at once is not that big
> of a deal.  The music does not sound bad.  I made my
> dad a copy of beetleclasher for him to listen to in
> her car and he complained that there was too much
> talking and applause and nothing happening...so I made
> him a copy with just songs from that show, and he
> liked that better, that works for him.  good for him,
> he's not gonna go trading it anywhere. its not
> complete, but thats not what the purpose of that show
> is for him.
>
> I don't hear the difference between a 192 MP3 and A
> SHN or a FLAC file.  I respect tapers wishes and will
> never ever spread an mp3 copy of something I
> downloaded in lossless format, but i can do whatever I
> want with my files on my computer...with bittorrent,
> it has pretty much eliminated the absolute necessity
> of trading for the casual trader...unless theres
> something you really want...and oh well your outta
> luck or you can hope for a b&p.
>
>
> I think you have every right to be pissed about what
> people are sending you...but I don't underwstand why
> it would matter to you what others are doing in their
> trades or whatever.  How does it affect you?  This guy
> was offering an Eric Clapton show to 3 other people
> for FREE so they could hear  the "God" of guitar.  I
> don't see how that isn't a good thing.  Would you
> rather the guy just hoarded it and kept it to himself
> instead of spreading it for others, or worse sold a
> copy on ebay?
>
> > ATTACHMENT part 3.6 message/rfc822
> > From: Almighty Geetarz <>
> > To: slowhand at planet-torque.com
> > Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 17:21:57 -0700 (PDT)
> > Subject: [Slowhand] Re: Offers on the SD - Lulu Wins
> >
> > You know, the SD used to be a pretty quiet place -
> > no such thing as "offers".
> >
> > Then a few of us got this whacky idea to help pass
> > the good stuff around so more folks could enjoy it.
> > Great idea, right? I used to think it was - I've
> > changed my mind.
> >
> > In the past months, with various items (TDF, Stone
> > Crazy, etc.) and various people (i.e. our dear
> > "Lulu") we've had various discussions about quality.
> > More importantly - a lack of quality.  In any
> > organization, it really is up to the members of the
> > group to police themselves - not just a vocal few,
> > but to the group as a whole.
> >
> > So I was rather dismayed to see this post recently
> > on the SD: "  I can offer 3 copies of the EC sunday
> > set at the Crossroads festival. Beware: somewehre
> > along the line the disc is not burned DAO, so
> > there's some gaps between the songs."
> >
> > And have quietly waited to see the reaction from
> > this group.
> >
> > What a reaction I have seen:
> >
> > Zero.
> > Zip.
> > De Nada.
> >
> > It is apparent to me that the majority of folks on
> > this list just plain do not give a flying fuck about
> > quality.  That's totally within your rights.  Other
> > lists that support other artists have been quite
> > good at policing their own, and this sort of thing
> > would never go unchecked.  But the EC trading world
> > is racked - polluted - by something worse than
> > bootleggers. Something worse even than hoarders.
> > The apathetic. Those who don't give a damn.
> >
> > Okay, you all win.  More to the point - Lulu wins.
> > I give up.  I recently made a distribution offer to
> > the group - I hereby withdraw my offer.  Don't get
> > me wrong - the idiots among us are free to do
> > whatever they choose.  Hell, why not copy the CD to
> > cassette, play it back through the stereo, record it
> > with your PC mic, then encode to mp3, then extract
> > and burn TAO for the fella at the other end? If it
> > makes you happy, more power to you.  But I see no
> > reason why I should spend my time and money to try
> > to share quality recordings when the folks on this
> > list will for the most part do nothing to ensure
> > that quality.  In other words - you don't deserve
> > it.
> >
> > Bill Main recently passed. A shame - and a sweet guy
> > (unlike me, I'm an ass).  I thought it would be nice
> > to be able to pass out copies of a show he recorded
> > and he really wanted posted on the Geetarz site as a
> > tribute.  It hasn't been - because out of the FOUR
> > trades I've done for it, not one person can seem to
> > copy a show without screwing it up. Sorry, Bill, no
> > legacy here - due to stupidity.  What a shame, eh?
> > Should I go for copy #5? Maybe 7,8,9, or #10 will be
> > the magic number?  I'm tired of being crapped on in
> > trades - I'll go watch some TV instead.
> >
> > It is nice to see that a lot of our DVD work has
> > been enjoyed my many here.  Want a hot tip? You've
> > got maybe 6 months to a year before the unwashed
> > masses start getting DVD drives free with their PCs
> > and manage to screw that scene up, too - better get
> > one NOW and trade like hell while you still can.  No
> > more handouts from me - trades only, with those who
> > have spent the time, effort, and money to acquire
> > trade material.
> >
> > So rest assured, you've heard the last rant from the
> > Almighty about quality. I won't bitch any more,
> > because I simply won't offer any more. You can send
> > your screwed up discs back and forth all you like,
> > without any interference from those few of us who
> > actually give a damn. Unfair? Sure - and you can
> > blame every single member of this list who didn't
> > say a single word. Including yourself.
> >
> > The SD's all yours, Lulu - have fun!
> >
> > Ciao.
> >
>
> =====
> "Faith sustains us in the hour when reason tells us that we can not
continue, that the whole of our lives is without meaning"
>
> "Faith and reason are the shoes on your feet.  You can travel further with
both than you can with just one"
>
>
> -Joe Michael Straczynski
>
>
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