[Woodcarver] Craftsman VS Artisan

Sat Jun 12 16:12:17 EDT 2004

Hi Dan,
    I am a Master Electrician in Wisconsin.  I went through a 4 year
apprenticeship, then took more classes and after 6 years, I took the State
Masters Test.  I can take out an Electrical License in any community in
Wisconsin.
    After my apprenticeship,  I was a Journeyman Electrician

Steve Klein
President
Klein Electric Co., Inc.

 ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Daniel Heine" <Daniel.Heine at comcast.net>
To: "Byron Kinnaman" <abkinnaman at earthlink.net>; "[Woodcarver]"
<woodcarver at six.pairlist.net>
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 6:35 PM
Subject: [Woodcarver] Craftsman VS Artisan

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> In response, I see very little difference between the terms. A master
> craftsman in my mind is a woodworker who produces furniture of the highest
> quality and is in itself an art form. I believe the same is true for
> carvers. I have never heard the term "Master Craftsman: referring to a
> carpenter or electrician, only for persons who have elevated the quality
of
> their skill to a level that is in itself art, and far and above that of
the
> mainstream craftsman.
>
> Looking forward to Evart,
> Daniel Heine
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Byron Kinnaman" <abkinnaman at earthlink.net>
> To: "[Woodcarver]" <woodcarver at six.pairlist.net>
> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 5:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] Not a "Master Carver?"
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> > Joe, Bill and others,
> >
> > I have to disagree with this type of a program. It appears to me that
this
> would move carving as an art form into the world crafts.  "Master Carver"
=
> "Master Carving Craftsman" . I prefer to think of carver as artisians
rather
> than craftsman.
> >
> > Just my humble opinion.
> >
> > Byron
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Joe Dillett <jdillett at thecarvingshop.com>
> > Sent: Jun 11, 2004 2:51 PM
> > To: "[Woodcarver]" <woodcarver at six.pairlist.net>
> > Subject: Re: [Woodcarver] Not a "Master Carver?"
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> > Hi Bill,
> >
> > I understand what you are saying. That's why I avoided using the words
> > Master Carver in my post.
> >
> > I have strong feelings that an approved apprenticeship program in
needed.
> > The government should approve this type of program so it qualifies for
> > grants, retraining and low-interest student loan status.
> >
> > I've had a lot of call for organizing an apprenticeship program. Finally
I
> > started a non-accredited program this last January. I have six students
> that
> > are committed to a four-year program. I told them a certificate wouldn't
> > mean very much because I am not an accredited program. There ages range
> from
> > 13 to about 50. I told them that the only difference between my
> > apprenticeship program and the formal apprenticeship programs of Europe,
> is
> > that I don't know what the hell I'm doing.
> >
> > They are progressing fine. After about 6-months they are about halfway
> along
> > to being called an Apprentice 1 level carver.
> >
> > To achieve an Apprentice 1 level they began with a simple project that
> they
> > choose. They learn safety precautions. They must be able to take a knife
> and
> > gouge and V-tool from a wide blunt edge and get them razor sharp. All
have
> > certified through the sharpening. They are all working on carving
> moldings.
> > Each molding teaches them right and left hand carving, grain structure
and
> > direction of cut. The first molding is a chase carving with a V-tool or
> > veiner (spoon carved design). The next molding is a row of small raised
> > buttons surrounded in a conceived circle. The third molding is a rope
> > design. Two are still working on the rope design and the rest have
> certified
> > through this point. Egg and dart is the next molding. A shell in the
next
> > molding. The last molding will be their design. After completing all the
> > moldings they must apply a finish. Then they must certify to knowing how
> to
> > calculate mathematical ratios and proportions and certify to enlarging
or
> > reducing a picture to create a pattern per my requirements. They must
> > certify to knowing the common types of wood they will be carving and how
> to
> > choose the direction of grain to orientate a face or how to choose the
> best
> > and finest grain direction to orientate the carving. They must develop a
> > respect for wood and the source it comes from through good conservation
> > practices inside and outside the shop. Than they must complete a
project.
> > That will get them to Apprentice 1 level.
> >
> > Apprentice 2 level will have exercises that refine their chisel
> techniques,
> > uses power to improve productivity and studies good design techniques
and
> > human and animal proportions. They must know how to construct a block
for
> > carving and good gluing practices by calculating how to even out
clamping
> > pressure. There will be much time devoted to drawing which will be
taught
> > from the book, Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain, by Betty Edwards.
> > They will be learning woodburning techniques and develop a wide
vocabulary
> > of texturing techniques by using chisels. They must develop the ability
to
> > make clean cuts in remote areas so to eliminate 'hamburger'.
> >
> > To get certified to Journeyman they must have logged about 1000 hours of
> > carving time, demonstrate originality and uniqueness of design. Capable
of
> > designing and drawing their own patterns from several sources. Produce a
> > carving from real life, both in the round and in relief. Does not need
> > instruction to design, carve and finish a carving. Understand the
material
> > of wood and how it is effected by moisture changes, UV exposure, various
> > drying techniques, strength and weatherability. Understand, know when to
> use
> > different finishes and how to apply those different finishes. Able to
make
> > several carvings of the same subject, like an oak leaf, and express
> > different feelings, such as serenity, anxiety, sadness, and joy .
> Knowledge
> > of all laws and regulations that apply to the carving business, such as
> > sales and income tax, EPA regulations, MSDS sheets, different business
> > structures such as s-corporation or sole-proprietorship, accounting
> > practices as applied to running a carving business. Demonstrate a
> > willingness to share their knowledge by teaching woodcarving classes.
> >
> > To achieve the Master Carver level they must have knowledge of good
> business
> > practices, know how to quote jobs, write work orders/contracts, create
> > invoices and estimate completion times accurately. Demonstrate good
> > marketing skills. Demonstrated a desire to promote woodcarving and
teaches
> > on a regular basis. They must demonstrate a willingness to give back to
> > their community by getting involved in community activities.
> >
> > Most of these are concepts at this point that will be refined as I
> progress
> > through the program. At this point I am only keeping a few classes ahead
> of
> > them with a lesson plan. I am willing to take all suggestions anyone has
> to
> > offer. These students know they are my guinea pigs in this wonderful
> > experiment. At this point they are all developing wonderful tool control
> and
> > grain knowledge. I couldn't be happier with their progress. I was
> > encouraging the 13-year old boy to continue practicing his sharpening
> skills
> > before he forgets them. I pointed out that there are not many 13-year
olds
> > that can put a razor edge on a V-tool and handle a chisel the way he
can.
> >
> > Bill, I talked to you some time back as becoming a member of a
> certification
> > board. My concept of this certification board is certain members like
you,
> > who have achieved a high level of carving skill, network with the
student
> > over the Internet to have his work and skill examined by each board
> member,
> > one at a time. The student must pay for your testing time. You in turn
> > either certify them to the next level or not. Your other responsibility
> > would be to give me feedback as to what changes I would need to make in
my
> > curriculum.
> >
> >
> > Joe Dillett
> > The Carving Shop
> > 645 E. LaSalle St. Suite 3
> > Somonauk, IL. 60552
> > (815) 498-9290 phone
> > (815) 498-9249 fax
> > http://www.thecarvingshop.com
> > jdillett at thecarvingshop.com
> > http://www.carvingmagazine.com Carving Magazine web site and Readers
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> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Bill Judt" <bjudt at sasktel.net>
> > To: "[Woodcarver]" <woodcarver at six.pairlist.net>
> > Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 1:46 PM
> > Subject: [Woodcarver] Not a "Master Carver?"
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> >
> > Ray and Joe:
> >
> > Here in North America, we must be careful to make a clear distinction
> > between the European trade designation "Master Carver" and the more
> > relaxed way we use the term.
> > Unless one is trained as a master carver according to an accredited
> > standard, he/she is NOT a master carver. One might be a GOOD carver,
> > even and excellent carver... gifted, talented, professional, etc... but
> > not a MASTER CARVER, unless he/she has earned that title. I can
> > understand European carvers looking at the way some carvers rate
> > themselves or are rated by others and questioning their standards. I
> > don't let this type of thing bother me, though. I know how good my work
> > is. It is somewhere between the absolutely WORST carving on earth and
> > the absolutely BEST.<grinning widely>
> >
> > This raises the question "What shall we call those North American
> > carvers who have show excellence in their craft/art... who stand above
> > the crowd? And what is the standard by which we measure their
> > abilities?" Your comments and suggestions are welcome.
> >
> > This is a question I've long pondered. Please note that I do NOT
> > consider myself a "Master Carver".
> >
> > Bill
> > List Owner
> >
> > W.F. Judt,
> > 46 Harvard Cres,
> > Saskatoon, Saskatchewan,
> > S7H3R1
> > PH: 306-373-6649
> > Email: bjudt at sasktel.net
> > Website: http://www.wwwoodcarver.com
> >
> > On Jun 11, 2004, at 8:49 AM, RAY MIGHELLS wrote:
> >
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> > > Hi Joe; sounds good to me. I do know that some classicaly trained
> > > carvers kind of look down their nose at excellent carvings done by
> > > carvers "not trained". I agree with you that you do whatever is
> > > necessary to achieve the dimension and projection you want. Carving
> > > is still evolving; you may need to go to college to get a degree,
> > > but you don't need to go to college to get an education. (
> > > subscribing to all the carving magazines is comparable to taking a
> > > correspondence course, although there are some things you can not
> > > learn from a book)Regards Ray Mighells 6760 Rt 417 Killbuck NY 716
> > > 945 0098 Please view my work at:
> > > http://www.picturetrail.com/razaxnstuff
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