[Woodcarver] RE: tools

[Joe Dillett]

Hi Ron,

I feel both Stubai and Phiel are good quality tools. This has been my 
experience with using both brands for the last bunch of years along with 
other brands such as 2 Cherry, Hirsch, Lamp, Henry Taylor and Buck.

Stubai are hardened to a 59 Rockwell. Phiel are hardened to a 62 Rockwell. 
Both are hardened from tip to shank. Phiel has an ash handle which is not as 
durable as the Hornbeam handles of Stubai. Stubai full size is the only 
chisel I know of that has double ferrule one on the tool steel and the other 
internal in the handle. Even though the Stubai is not as hard as the Phiel I 
find it to be stiffer without adding much metal thickness. Also I find the 
Stubai holds the edge better. The Phiel tools are more prone to chipping 
especially with the design they use on their V-tools. There isn't much 
difference in the sharpening time between the two but perhaps the Stubai 
takes a little longer because of the slight increase in metal thickness.

I do feel the Phiel is a good quality tool. I've spent many happy hours 
using them. Today my number one choice for quality is the Stubai. I really 
experienced what Stubai advertises," Sharpen Less, Carve More."

I am not a dealer for these or any other tools.

Joe Dillett
The Carving Shop
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Somonauk, IL. 60552
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ramsey" <ron at carvedbyramsey.com>
To: <woodcarver at six.pairlist.net>
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 12:24 PM
Subject: [Woodcarver] RE: tools



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> Hi Loren,

>

> Swill? Is that a comment or a typo?  I have both Stubai and Phiel tools 

> and they both have their pros and cons

>

> Stubai: Harder steel, Holds an edge longer, Takes much more time to 

> re-grind and hone.  Heat tempered on the tip only.  Expensive.  If you are 

> the type that treats your tools like they are religious icons these tools 

> are great.  Some of the best made.

>

> Phiel: Well balanced.  Feel great in your hand. Electronically tempered so 

> that the full length of the tool can be reground all the way to the 

> handle.  I know this doesn't seem important but I have broken tools and 

> the ability to re-grind them even if there is only 3" left can be nice.  I 

> love the way they feel. Very natural extension of my hand.  I am the type 

> of carver that has a whole group of tools on my bench at one time and I 

> like to work fast. Occasionally one falls off and chips the edge.  Because 

> of the softer steel, it's much quicker to re-grind and hone the tool than 

> with the Stubai.  They have to be re-stropped more often than the Stubais 

> but I have a power stropping wheel next to my bench and that is not a 

> problem for me.

>

> For my style of carving, Phiel are my "go to" tools of choice.

>

> Ron Ramsey

> http://www.carvedbyramsey.com

>

>

>>Phiel and Swill are the same thing.  I love Stubai tools.  They are

>>excellent tools and hold a very good edge.  Probably 65% of my tools are

>>Stubai.

>

>  >Loren Woodard

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