[Woodcarver] Alan, and backgrounds

[Bill Judt]

Mike:

I've requested that all messages concerning Alan be sent OFF-LIST. The 
divisive issues he raised by his presence on the List will re-emerge if 
discussion about his situation continues on-list. Please let me know 
that you understand,OK?

Bill
List Owner

W.F. Judt,
46 Harvard Cres,
Saskatoon, Saskatchewan,
S7H3R1
PH: 306-373-6649
Email: bjudt at sasktel.net
Website: http://www.wwwoodcarver.com

On Jun 14, 2004, at 1:31 PM, Mike & Patty Wilcox wrote:

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> He concerns me too.
> But not just as he does you.
> There are a lot of inconsistencies in his messages.
> I'll be very interested in seeing what comes after someone checks on 
> him.
> I had offered him help for patterns if he e-mail me off list but all 
> he wanted to send back was to complain.
> I played it very careful with what I said to him but I'm not convinced 
> in all he has said.
> & yes I have dealt a bit with people like him in my work.
> Remember there are a lot of players out there.
> Just a point as I said was careful what I said to him but hope to hear 
> from the one that gets this checked out.
>  
>  
> ----- Original Message -----
>  From: cynda douglas
> To: Woodcarver at six.pairlist.net
> Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 1:45 PM
> Subject: [Woodcarver] Alan, and backgrounds
>
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>
> Hi, I have been reading all the great interactions with woodsy people. 
> I'd like to make a comment or two.
> Clive, I understand you are trying to get Alan to see it has to come 
> from us. But I hope you remember, he may be in a different space, 
> where you had major illness, but you were also able to see the light 
> at the end of the tunnel by healing and hard work. He might me looking 
> at a future where he has to accept be disabled the rest of his life. 
> Where there is little hope of getting better, that is a nasty pill to 
> swallow. One can not tell someone with major depression to just "Snap 
> out of it."  It is usually a chemical change in the brain that need 
> medical as well as trained treatment from a therapist.  Major 
> depression is NOT something a person can just decide to fix and then 
> leap out of bed some morning, and be all fixed. I do know wherein I 
> speak. I've been there.
>
> I don't know if he is getting help in this. The loss of ones abilities 
> is like a death. It takes a period of grieving. Not fun to be around, 
> but necessary. After the grieving process, and there is no way around 
> it, then one can start to rebuild and see that it is possible to go 
> on. If the grieving process is skipped, (the macho tough guy stuff) it 
> will sneak up and get you sometime when you least expect it.  Again, 
> I've walked the walk.
>
> When a person is hitting bottom, they just need to know someone cares, 
> and support. Everything said and around them looks black. It takes 
> gentle encouragement to start to bring the light into focus, and it 
> takes time.
> Please, in coresponding with him, be gentle, OK?
>
> BACKGROUNDS:  I haven't done relief carving yet, but many years ago I 
> did leather carving. There are many tools made for backgrounds in 
> leather. I can't help but wonder if some of these would work on wood, 
> or some woods.??? Check with a Tandy store, or leather work supplier 
> and see what they have. I haven't done it yet, and only theory, but 
> can't see why they couldn't be used here, too.
>
> Ok, I won't preach any more. Had to say it once as Alan concerns me.
>
> Cynda
>
>  
>
>
> Good friends are like stars...
> You don't always see them, but you always
> know they're there.
>
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Bill

W.F. Judt,
46 Harvard Cres,
Saskatoon, Saskatchewan,
S7H3R1
PH: 306-373-6649
Email: bjudt at sasktel.net
Website: http://www.wwwoodcarver.com

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